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January 29, 2013

Next Christmas, Keanu Reeves stars in 47 Ronin, a fantasy film based on the historical event known as ChushinguraIn the early 1700s, a group of forty-seven Japanese samurai avenged the murder of their master. 47 Ronin is a major tentpole film and does provide an opportunity for actors of Japanese descent to be featured in a film that will be distributed in America (even if most of the actors are not Asian American and many Asian American actors are still locked out of their home industry.)

The compromise for hiring so many Japanese actors seems to be the addition of Reeves’s character, who is not from the original mythos–his character was created exclusively from the film. Reeves plays “Kai,” a half-Japanese, half-British “half breed” and “outcast” who joins the group of Samurai.  His character was created solely for the film, even though the likelihood of such a character existing during the era of sakoku is pretty slim. (Did he replace one of the 47? Or is he 48? Were none of the original 47 worth depicting in the lead role?)


Keanu Reeves stars in 47 Ronin as Kai, the “outcast”

Reeves’s brand new character is considered so integral to the production, that the studio seized control of the production from director Carl Rinsch, reshooting scenes to place more emphasis on Reeves’s character–rather than, say, the titular forty-seven ronin.

“Universal opted to reshoot a major fight scene near the end of the film, as well as a few other scenes to sharpen the focus on Reeves’ character Kai.

“[Originally,] Kai was not even present in the final battle scene, whereas the new scene pits Kai against a supernatural creature.

“In addition, the studio added a love scene, close-ups and individual lines to boost Reeves’ presence.” [source]


Keanu Reeves is 1/8 Chinese and 1/8 Hawaiian. Although Keanu Reeves has built his career primarily portraying white characters, it is important that he has managed to stay in Hollywood while using his real name (rather than the “K.C. Reeves” moniker he has used previously) when so many actors are pressured to change them. It is significant that Keanu Reeves has starred in a number of “cultural zeitgeist” films

What boggles my mind about Hollywood, and about 47 Ronin, though, is not the fictional inclusion of a hapa (hafu?) character, but more the context in which this is framed. I guess I am thinking of another production from a few years ago that wanted to whitewash a Chinese American character. When I spoke with the producer, I noted that the character had a Chinese last name and his entire character arc was about accepting he was Asian and handling feeling different. “How will you explain his last name?” I asked. “How will you keep the story arc of Tommy feeling like an outcast and learning to accept his identity?”

The producer said, “Well, perhaps he can be a white person adopted by a Chinese family. He could be bullied all his life for being white and having a weird Chinese name and feel left out and not truly a part of things.”

What struck me was how horrendously, cluelessly backwards this all was. Here was a production that was deliberately excluding Asian American actors due to their race, their “weird Chinese names” seen as not marketable, etc. While there are countless narratives of transracial adoptees facing discrimination, those children are usually children of color bullied in white communities, not the other way around. Yet, in order to cover for it, one of this production’s ideas was to tell a story of a white man being excluded by Asians. An industry that routinely, systemically casts out Asian Americans in favor of casting white actors wanted to tell a story about mean Asians excluding a white guy.

This was also a part of the character development for the whitewashed Kyo Kusanagi character in the King of Fighters (2010) film adaptation. The character was Japanese in the video games but played by a white actor in the movie. His father was depicted by an Asian actor to suggest he was hapa. The sneering villain, Iori, played by an Asian actor, pejoratively called the hero a “half breed.”


Kyo Kusanagi (Sean Faris) talks to the ghost of his dead father (Hiro Kanagawa) in King of Fighters (2010)

The implication was that Kyo experienced oppression from the bad guy because he was not fully Asian–that he was victimized and targeted for his white side. Yet, newcomer Sean Faris’s white identity was precisely why he was the main lead while all the more-experienced Asian actors played villains or side characters. If it was important enough to change Kyo to explore his experiences as someone of mixed race, why not cast a mixed race actor? While the experiences of people who are hapa are very real, raw, and painful, here it was used to villainize and whitewash.

Hollywood doesn’t just whitewash Asian characters. It makes Asian characters white and then depicts how the white characters face discrimination from Asians. It’s bitter irony. It’s a complete lack of self-awareness. What they do to Asian American actors in real life they depict happening to white(washed) characters on screen. In the story, being part white is depicted as a liability. The people of color in the film are exclusionary. Yet, these films inadvertently demonstrate that in Hollywood, it’s the opposite–characters of color are whitewashed. People of color in the film industry are excluded, even when the main characters were originally people of color.

I suppose the situation with the “Kai” character is somewhat different, because he is written as the son of a Japanese woman and a white British sailor, portrayed by Keanu Reeves and therefore mixed race. It is absolutely true that children who are hapa experience prejudice from both sides. In Hollywood, specifically, though, the portion studios consider to be “the problem”–that part triggers the discrimination– is the part that is non-white. Actors like Daniel Henney and Maggie Q experienced difficulty breaking into Hollywood not because they were part white, but because they were part Asian. In fact, Asian countries’ film industries embraced them more than than the North American film industries they originally hailed from did.

The story of 47 Ronin is of “Kai” being rejected for being part white, yet the film felt that adding a bit of “whiteness” was so important that it could not go forward without it. So important, that reshoots were mandated to emphasize his importance. The fact that the character and actor are part white is precisely why he was welcomed into the American-targeted script. They had 47 Japanese characters from the original tale to pick from for the main character–forty seven!–and still felt they had to create a brand new lead. If the film genuinely wanted to focus on the pain experienced by Japanese people of mixed descent, why not cast award-winning actor Tadanobu Asano–an actual Japanese person of mixed descent–in the role of the heroic Kai rather than as the villain? Presumably, exploring hapa or hafu identity was not why Keanu was crammed into the story. Kai’s “outcast” status is presented as an injustice, but the character is an outcast in more ways than one. He’s the Hollywood self-insertive fantasy. Of course he’s the outcast–he comes not from 18th century Japanese fanciful history, but from 21st century Hollywood studio meddling.


Promotional image from 47 Ronin

Perhaps this is more of the contradictory and fickle nature of Hollywood. We repeatedly see films where white male leads are depicted as the odd-one-out, the outsider, the tourist who needs must prove himself and take his rightful place as the focus of attention with the chief’s daughter by his side. (Reeves’s fictional character in 47 Ronin, of course, raises the hackles of the other samurai by starting a romance with their master’s daughter. The studio even mandated extra love scenes.) At the same time, these same films are structured in a way that positions the very characters of color who are excluding the hapa lead (because he is white) in a subordinate position–whether they are subjugating the “outcast” or not in the movie, they’re the true outcasts in Hollywood.

Perhaps 47 Ronin is different and a step up from previous iterations of this trope because it depicts a hapa character instead of simply a white male lead. To critique this feels counter-intuitive because the experiences of people who are of mixed race are often marginalized by Hollywood, and this is a rare depiction. On the other hand, does 47 Ronin earnestly intend to explore what it means to be hapa and to face prejudice from the community of color you belong to? Or is the addition of “hapa oppression from Asians” being used to justify why Hollywood felt the need to insert “whiteness” or “white identity problems” into an Asian historical fiction at all? I sincerely hope it is the former–because that is worth exploring, and we don’t see very many hapa heroes–but based on what we’ve seen in Hollywood before, I strongly suspect the latter.

And when 47 Ronin–which is rapidly congealing into a swirling miasma of major delays,unnecessary 3-D, the Hollywood makeover of a classic story, studio meddling, and a increasingly swollen budget– ultimately fails…will the majority-Asian cast take the blame?

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  • Hasdi Bravo

    Marisa, please look up audience surrogate because that is Keanu Reeves’ character (Kai) is supposed to be, a story-telling device for the white-majority American audience to project themselves into an unfamiliar Japanese world of 47 Ronin. He serves as a proxy for an American audience that other Japanese characters can explain the cultural differences to by way of (gasp!) exposition (Unless you rather have the “cultural footnotes” like in some anime subs). Kai serves an important role, but main story is on Hiroyuki Sanada’s character, the Ronin leader Kuranosuke Oishi. At least, that was the plan until Universal allegedly freaked out with the reshoots.

    Our sad economic reality is that only Keanu Reeves is well-known to the American audience, whereas in Asia, the other actors are pretty much rock stars. So, we are looking at the possibility of an international theatrical cut AND a separate US theatrical cut that feature more Keanu Reeves, which is still BS. Then again, delaying its release enable the Asian actors to be on par with Keanu Reeves, exploiting the popularity boost from Pacific Rim (Rinko Kikuchi), The Wolverine (Hiroyuki Sanada), Thor: Dark World (Tadanobu Asano), and season 2 of Mortal Kombat: Legacy (Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa). This may improve their time on screen. We’ll see.

    The story of 47 Ronin with an all-Japanese cast has been done to death already, like Hollywood has done with Three Musketeers, Robin Hood, Titanic, and Snow White. This movie is a fantasy take on a real event of Japanese history “in a world of witches and giants”, so don’t expect it to be any more acurrate than Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter is to the life of Abraham Lincoln, or X-Men: First Class is to the Cuban missile crisis. Putting a half-white man in 47 Ronin is the least of its deviations.

    FYI, only 46 ronins committed seppuku. The 47th ronin was pardoned by the Shogun for reasons debated until today, and died at an old age of 87. His name was Terasaka Kichiemon. Is “Kai” a play of “Kichiemon”? See, I just spoiled the ending for you. xP

    • http://www.racebending.com Marissa Lee

      It’s interesting to deconstruct the “viewer surrogate” argument for what it is trying to imply. Viewers of color generally seem to have no problem embracing the glut of white male characters in media. “The Avengers”, for example, was popular in Japan even though there was no Japanese character explaining the nuance or helping them plug into the American/fantasy Norse etc. cultures they were observing. It would be ridiculous, for example, to argue that it would be necessary to insert a “half Japanese half French” character (played by a Japanese actor with one white grandparent) in “Les Miserables” with the belief that viewers of color would not be able to relate to the French characters simply because they were not Japanese. Over and over again, media consumers of color are able to demonstrate the human ability to relate to another person or character even if that person is of a different racial or ethnic background from them. Very rarely are steps taken to “accommodate” viewers of color by providing them with a viewer surrogate who shares their background.

      The premise behind the “white viewers need a viewer surrogate” argument basically implies that white viewers are less capable of being empathic or relating; that we simply must expect white viewers to have a deficit in empathy and inability to grasp other cultures, that they would be lost without inserting themselves in the story, that they are entitled to the accommodation of being inserted in the story simply because they would be lost. Were I a white viewer I would be insulted by being coddled in this way. If this argument is true it is incredibly sad that Hollywood has chosen to enable the stereotype that white viewers are less capable of being empathetic then viewers of color are–especially since there is evidence, such as films like “The Last Emperor” that white viewers are able to relate to a protagonist and historical context with a world experience entirely different from their own.

      • Hasdi Bravo

        Certainly there are alternatives to audience surrogate to convey a story in an unfamiliar context. The Last Emperor in particular uses the prison narrative and also Pu Yi’s naiveness and ignorance of the world outside the Forbidden City to explain to him of it (and by extension, the audience). They could use an approach used by Ang Lee in Life of Pi, e.g., by having Terasaka Kichiemon in his later years meeting up with a British sailor and then recount to him the events of 47 Ronin and explain to him any cultural aspects he may not understand. Bear in mind that many American shows are broadcast in Asia, so many Asians over there already have some familiarity with the Western culture, so much that their governments had to take steps to preserve the local culture. Moreover, not all Hollywood movies are released internationally, and the one that does avoid using American-specific references that are less familiar to a foreign audience without some device to explain it.

        Anywho, an audience surrogate is what they have chosen to tell the story of 47 Ronin for “American viewers”, NOT necessarily “white viewers”. Understandably, one would assume that “American” means “white”, since whites are the majority and Asians are only 5% of the US population. Apparently, there is only ONE such character that can be reasonably be embedded into the story of 47 Ronin without too much departure, so it cannot be “any white actor” but a “bankable actor” who can pull a sizable American audience, especially when $200M is at stake. Could they have used an American actor of Japanese descent like Dean Cain? Maybe, but even at the height of his popularity as Superman in Lois & Clark series, he may only be bankable enough for $100M budget or so. Will Smith could justify a higher budget, but he is busy working on his own project with somebody else.

        As for the Japanese audience, it would be Hiroyuki Sanada’s character, so it may be a similar set-up with Rush Hour movies, where Jackie Chan serves as a surrogate for the non-black audience, while Chris Tucker for the non-Chinese audience. Sanada does not have to be as bankable as Keanu Reeves since there are other Japanese actors they can cast to pull in the audience. Jin Akanishi for example, is like Justin Timberlake of Asia, so the girls would histerical like “JIN!!! I want to have your baby!” while the Americans would go “Who is Jin Akanishi and why are people calling him Bakanishi?” -___-

        • Hwang

          Seems you’re not addressing the core issue here. Let me ask – when was the last time you’ve seen an Asian American in the leading role? And no, not one of mixed descent who’s portrayed as more ‘white’ than ‘asian’, like Keanu. It’s bad enough that many race-neutral roles specifically exclude casting minority actors, it’s another that roles that minorities would be perfect for – due to the historical and/or mythological context of the story – are still given to Caucasians instead. When pressed on why that is, all we get are excuses, and more excuses.

          You say that the Japanese are more accustomed to American culture due since many American shows are broadcast over there. So, what, America, with it’s more diverse demographics, need white surrogates where the Japanese do not?

          ‘Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon’ was a huge success when it was first released stateside. Following wuxia movies, such as ‘Hero’ were also successful – and at least in theaters I went to, they were in *subtitles*, not even dubbed. Sure, some of the cultural specifics were lost, but they were great movies enjoyed by more than just Chinese. So why is it that Hollywood must assume that new movies cannot succeed without a white lead?

          And bankability? Not every movie that has succeeded relied on the names of its cast. And why not give new actors a chance? Thing is, where are all the hot, new minority actors? How can there be bankable minority actors when they’re not given a chance because it’s assumed that they’re not ‘relatable’?

          Let me say this – there’s nothing wrong with casting Keanu Reeves in the lead role in and of itself. There’s nothing wrong with having a revision of 47 Ronin with a mixed race character in and of itself. But when stories with lead minority character roles are made white to make it more marketable, over and OVER again, what kind of message do you think that’s giving us?

          • Hasdi Bravo

            If Hollywood wants an excuse to hire white actors, they can just avoid materials that feature minorities in the first place, be it due to “historical and/or mythological context of the story”. It is not as if there is a shortage of those. Otherwise, they can always rip it off with substantial changes and call it something else, like Initial D with Tokyo Drift, or Evangelion with Pacific Rim. ^.^; Do you want Asian-American actors to be successful, or do you just want white actors to fail, including “tainted” ones like Kristen Kreuk, Dwayne Johnson, Maggie Q and Olivia Munn?

            You can’t seriously expect a studio to place a large bet on an unproven talent or concept. Like any investments, risky ventures with huge potential payoff are financed a lower budget, so Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon was given a $17 million budget while the Karate Kid remake was given $40 million. The higher the budget, the more steps the studio will take to ensure a return in their investment, one of which includes the bankability of the leading actors. Even George Takei acknowledged that problem in an interview:

            Can you name one bankable Asian-American star? No. There isn’t. You have Denzel Washington, Samuel Jackson. A whole host of them. One can’t name a single Asian-American whose name you can take to the bank and get a project financed. We are making headways. I’m not a pessimist. We have made tremendous headways from the time I started in this business in 1957.

            A white actor is not necessarily bankable. Taylor Kitsch in the lead couldn’t recoup Battleship and John Carter. The odds are against minority actors to be bankable, as they have to earn their place in the hearts of American audience, of which majority are whites. How can Asian actors be treated as equals by whites, when Asians are not willing to do the same with white actors?

          • Hwang

            “If Hollywood wants an excuse to hire white actors, they can just avoid materials that feature minorities in the first place” Hollywood *does* do that, even with materials that feature minority lead roles. Either that, or we get “tokenism” diversity. Your point?

            Oh, and nice job on insinuating that I “want white actors to fail, including “tainted” ones like Kristen Kreuk, Dwayne Johnson, Maggie Q and Olivia Munn?” And where the hell do you even get the idea I think of them as “tainted”?

            Read the last paragraph I wrote above. I’ve flat out stated that there is nothing wrong with the concept of the new 47 Ronin movie “in and of itself”. As in, I am neither for nor against the movie pitch as an abstract idea. In context – and that’s the important part here – it’s just another example of institutional racism. In another universe, placing Keanu Reeves in the lead role might be a revolutionary step towards improving on-screen diversity due to a dominance of Asian actors. We’re not in that universe – quite the opposite.

            So yes, bankability. You’re right – I shouldn’t expect studios to make gambles on “unproven talent or concepts”. But Crouching Tiger was a success – certainly not an “unproven” concept. That was in 2000. Between now and then, where were the risks taken on bringing up the hot new minority actors? If we’re still having issues casting a non-white actor in the lead role over a decade later, our issue here seems to go past “unproven talent or concepts”.

            “The odds are against minority actors to be bankable, as they have to earn their place in the hearts of American audience, of which majority are whites”. You don’t see the problem here? Minority actors having to “earn” their place on more than just their acting skills, due to their status as a “minority” in society? That’s discrimination.

            Which leads to the statement, “How can Asian actors be treated as equals by whites, when Asians are not willing to do the same with white actors?” Rather baffling, considering you yourself stated that American movies are more widespread in Asia than vice versa. Either way, this is hardly a universal sentiment on either side of the ocean, given what you and I have already discussed. Yes, discrimination and racism exists among customers, but that’s all the more reason to speak out and endorse diversity beyond tokenism.

            But let me step back and ask what your real point is anyways. You’ve defended the casting on “cultural surrogate” and “bankability” grounds. Are you saying you think a lead Asian actor would be a *bad* thing? If so, at what point would it stop being *bad*?

            Have you thought at all on “when stories with lead minority character roles are made white to make it more marketable, over and OVER again, what kind of message do you think that’s giving us?”, beyond the *money* angle? I’ve seen your profile on the A:TLA wiki via your interview link – you certainly seem intelligent and well-meaning. So please tell us all what benefit there is to defending yet another lost chance of casting minority lead.

          • Bruce

            @Hasdi Bravo

            Well Jackie Chan is considered bankable but retiring or retired. I don’t feel domestic box office tickets matters these days because there are overseas tickets. Some movies have done better overseas than domestic. I understand you need a big name for recognition but it should be equal and not just focused on one actor just because of a big name. Also, this isn’t about failure or successes of actors regardless of their race, this is more about fair representation. Otherwise, Hollywood filmmakers will continue their tradition of exclusion just to benefit for themselves even if there is discrimination involved. American media (even though they’re considered liberal), have not been and still not very fair…they’re greedy and scared.

    • Raiden

      Didn’t Abraham Lincoln Vamp Hunter Flop at the box office Hasdi? If your comparing it to that, then this film is likely doomed

  • T.Chicken

    http://www.cracked.com/article_20208_6-actors-who-play-exact-same-role-in-multiple-movies.html
    I hope it didn’t end with Keanu Reeves commiting Seppuku to save the world.

  • http://twitter.com/Herostratus356 Herostratus356

    Why is it that white people are incapable of writing stories about prejudice unless the victim is white? The main characters are always white vampires, white mutants, white mudbloods, white activists who join civil rights causes, or half-white people in non-white lands? Why do they always write stories about marginalization from every point of view except for real-world marginalized populations?

    • http://www.facebook.com/ashe.samuels Ashe P. Samuels

      Such a good fucking question. And one that Hollywood is in no great strain to answer any time soon.

      • Raiden

        Part of the reason (but surely not the only reason) is that people in Hollywood simply don’t know how to write characters of Color, in stories about prejudice or otherwise. Lets be honest, most of the guys in the writers room are white, and since they are crammed for deadlines, and starved for creativity its obvious they’re going to write who they know best, who they’re confident in writing, namely white lead males.

        • http://www.facebook.com/ashe.samuels Ashe P. Samuels

          For sure. Write what you know! And for what you don’t know, do some research. Unless it’s about people of color. Then just don’t bother.

          I’ve also seen these reasons: they feel like it’s ‘too hard’, or they float by on the excuse that ‘we can never make people of color happy with our writing because they always complain’, or they tried before, got flack for it, then deigned to never try again, etc.

          There’s always a reason why they won’t.

          • Raiden

            The thing is when one is writing about a delicate subject like racial prejudice or interracial romance you’re inevitably going to tick someone off.

          • http://www.facebook.com/ashe.samuels Ashe P. Samuels

            So writers should remain humble and own up to their mistakes, instead of running off and burying their heads in the sand at the slightest hint of criticism and offense.

            It’s delicate because people keep refusing to confront these issues head on and SOLVE them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gary-Keyes/1300940127 Gary Keyes

    Excellent article on the 47 Ronin. What still sticks in my craw is how easily H’Wood readily assumes that American audiences couldn’t or wouldn’t accept an all Japanese cast in this film. I understand the economics behind Reeves casting (his name, fame, etc), but if the material is good and the direction–no matter who is starring in it they will fill seats. I recently had a long discussion with some friends who share an interest in screen writing, comics and genre films. The central theme of our discussion happen to be why marvel Studios rushed along and green lit Guardians of the Galaxy film while there is no talk on a Black Panther movie. How long have we (fans) have waited for T’chila to make an appearance on the silver screen? Twelve years? Twenty? Yet Marvel went right along and chose to make a film about an obscure intergalactic police squad led by (of course) a WHITE MALE CHARACTER–Peter Quill aka Star Lord! Why? Why is it so easy for white producers of today to simply create or bring to life these characters while ignoring that the complexion of the population has changed? Where are the films led by a Latina or Asian or Native American female character? Why couldn’t Dr. Shaw in Prometheus be a woman of color? Charlie Hunnan (love him in Sons of Anarchy) is leading the attack in Pacific Rim–a Kaiju film? A new series of Star Wars film are soon to be produced. Do you think J.J. Abrams will have new character who is a person of color at the center? Don’t hold your breath!

    • Hasdi Bravo

      Wesley Snipes tried to do Black Panther back in 1992, but managed to the Blade movie instead, which if you are familiar with the Night Stalker series, is a composite of a black man (Blade in the comics) and two white man (Hannibal King and Frank Drake in the comics). A Black Panther movie is progressing but you know how it is with “development hell”. We already have an originally white character like Nick Fury played by a black man, and Norse gods played by a black and a Japanese in Thor, so I am not too pessimistic about seeing more minorities in the lead in the near future. I just don’t feel we have to heckle talented white actors to achieve it. Color-blind casting is a two-way street, so if minorities can play traditionally by white actors, then whites can play traditionally Asian actors.

      • Robert Wilson

        For the 100,000th time, Ultimate Nick Fury is Black. There was no race swap. You have Nick Fury (white) and Ultimate Nick Fury (black). Heimdall (the guy from Thor) is as obscure to the general audience to the other characters not named Thor, Loki and Odin so that doesn’t count and what Japanese guy was in Thor? See? I didn’t even know that. Yet you say these parts are just as good as the lead. Really?

      • happyappa

        “… and Norse gods played by a black and a Japanese in Thor, so I am not too pessimistic about seeing more minorities in the lead in the near future.”

        That’s like saying there are actual Asian people in Red Dawn playing all the enemies and extras, so I am not too pessimistic about Asians being in positive lead roles very soon!

        “if minorities can play characters traditionally portrayed by white
        actors, then whites can play characters traditionally portrayed by Asian
        actors.”

        No. I am not sure how you can equate some minor roles or a few movies with poc actors, to the many yellowface, whitewashed roles where white actors play characters written for asians. Or let’s not forget casting that calls for “whites only” when race is not even specific to the role.

        • Hwang

          It’s “throw-em-a-bone-so-they-shut-up” diversity. As in, “Hey, there’s an Asian on screen (for two seconds)! So shut up, we’re diverse!” A form of diversity that’s (ironically) skin deep.

  • http://www.facebook.com/orborot André Geißenhöner

    I personally have no problem with casting Keanu perse, albeit it really is a bit unrealistic, considered the setting and simply saying “its a fantasy world with mythological beings” is no excuse in my eyes. I mean would they ever have a film where Hansel and Gretel are half-mongolian? After all that is a possibility, a realistic one even.
    What I do wonder about this film is why they felt a need to insert Keanu, sure a half-japanese person can look “white” I saw examples of that myself, but still why the insertion? There must be a reason and maybe it really is the audience surrogate. And if the movie is done in the US why not cast Japanese American actors? At least some?

  • Anonymous

    YEP. I’m pretty sure when the film fails, it will be blamed on the Asians. And then the execs will say, “SEE I told you. People don’t watch movies with Asian leads.” You might think this is crass and no one in a position of studio power would say this, but it’s the reason DBZ, Last Airbender and 21 were whitewashed.

    • Raiden

      only the LEAD characters were whitewashed in Last Airbender. I wouldn’t have minded shymalans “diverse” casting calls (despite the fact that everyone in the animated ATLA universe is clearly east Asian) had he done the same with the LEADS.

  • http://www.facebook.com/timothy.du Timothy Du

    I called this as Rip Off of Shogan series and novel.

  • Raiden

    I’m not Asian, so I don’t know how to feel about this. . . but here’s my 2 cents

    I doubt this film is going to be “47 Ronin”. Its probably going to be Keanu’s character who gets any character development while the others are reduced to 2-dimensional backdrop. Call it “One Hero and 46 stereotypes”. Its been done for years in film, cast one white lead to attract audiences, and cast minorities in supporting roles.

    but about the “Steamy” scene between Keanu and the Leading lady. . . One of my girlfriends mothers was part Mexican and Asian. Interracial romance is a real thing, are you saying Interracial romance shouldn’t be shown in the film just because he’s white?

    Anyway (and pardon my language) the film Damned if it succeeds, damned if it flops. If the film is successful, maybe Hollywood will recruit more Asian Actors, but most of those roles will probably be similar to the 46 Stereotypes in this film. If it flops Hollywood will say “See! We Tried! Its obvious the Audience doesn’t want Asian Stars!” and refuse to cast an Asian American Actor in a strong lead role for another Four or Six years.

    Personally, i think a film like this should have gone one of two ways. they should have either made it grim gritty and as realistic and authentic as possible with an All Asian cast, Japanese Dialogue, and no supernatural elements. Or else made it a Story BASED on 47 Ronin, but in an entirely different setting to avoid the race issues and executive meddling of certain racially biased producers.

    How about 47 Patriots in an American Revolution Setting? 47 Mutants in a post apocalyptic setting?

    I don’t

  • Amber Shah

    I understand that you’re speaking in the context of a system that regularly excludes Asian characters, which is why the mentions of Asians discriminating against white people are noteworthy. But I have to say, as someone who is mixed Asian and Caucasian, I have faced more prejudice from the Asian community than anywhere else. Obviously it’s tough to generalize, but that has been my experience over the course of my life in many different settings (and exposures to different Asian cultures). So in my mind, there’s nothing “wrong” with a movie that depicts what I have experienced.

    • Raiden

      were not Keanu’s casting is a BAD thing. Its just people are mad that once again Hollywood seems to think that roles intended for Non-white actors can be played by anyone (including white or part white Actors) but (usually) not that Non-white can play roles intended for white people.

      besides the way this film is being marketed its not going to be 47 Ronin, its going to be one character who gets characterization, while everyone else is reduced to a stereotypical supporting role. 1 Hero and 46 Stereotypes. While in the original tale every character got development and was made sympathetic, in this adaptation it seems only Keanu is going to get development. The racial implications are just there because Keanu is (mostly) white.

      There have been many films where Whites or mixed actors who look white have been in lead roles. Keanu, the Rock, Jessica Alba, all have success, do you think they would be as successful as they are if they were clearly a certain race instead of either looking white or being “Ethnically Ambiguous?” Whats wrong with having one where there’s an Actual Asian actor in the lead non stereotypical role as a hero instead of casting a white or part white actor? How about Steven Yuen of Walking dead fame as the lead role of Kai? He’s easily the most complex character and popular actor on the show, and he’s marketable.

      • Amelia

        And here it is again. If you are mixed and look too white, you aren’t a REAL asian, no matter how you grew up or personally identify. I don’t like the fact that media is dominated by white men either, but this “actual asian” BS is racist too.

    • Amelia

      Same here. I’ve never been made to feel like my non-european heritage was something to be ashamed of by a white person, but plenty of chinese/hawaiian people have told me I’m too white or that I don’t count as chinese/hawaiian because I am white. I understand the context the author of the article is coming from, but I wish people would understand that the premise of this film is actually speaking to the experiences of some mixed people.

  • Raiden

    This film is going to be 47 Ronin in Name only. If you guys want a decent real and authentic adaptation of 47 Ronin, I recommend picking up Stan Sakai’s (of Usagi Yojimbo Fame) excellent adaptation of the tale at your local comic shop.

    Personally I’m not going to see this movie, because regardless of its cast, it is probably going to be a really bad film the same way Last Airbender was a really bad film. An Insensitive cultural mishmash, full of stereotypes, that is a total disrespect to the original source material.

  • Amelia

    And I understand that. But what you said is that Keanu Reeves is not a real asian because he is part white. Telling mixed people that they aren’t “really” a particular race because you don’t think they look it enough is ridiculous and offensive. I seriously don’t understand this obsession people seem to have with forcing mixed-race people to “choose” one race to identify with over all the others and I’m sick of it.

    Also, while there are a decent number of mixed race actors in Hollywood, they aren’t usually playing mixed race characters. Hollywood, like you, looks at mixed actors and then erases whatever part of their heritage they find inconvenient (for example, the lead actor in Psych is half white/half mexican yet both the actors cast as his parents are white). Also, the fact that Jessica “I never though of myself as mexican” Alba and The Rock are the first mixed-race actors you can think of speaks volumes as to how successful mixed race actors actually are when people don’t erase part of their heritage. I suppose Cameron Diaz and Halle Berry fall into the “not really Cuban/white” category for you.

    • Raiden

      The Thing is, casting a Mixed-race Actor to lead the Asian characters and Represent Asian Culture would have just as many unfortunate implications as if it was a black actor like Will Smith or white actor like Hayden Christensen leading the samurai as Keanu Reeves. It’s just as culturally insensitive, and sadly, although you may see it differently, many American audiences don’t see Keanu as Asian, they see him as White. Heck, until I read this article, I didn’t even know he was mixed!

      Besides, my biggest issue isn’t necessarily with Keanu’s casting it’s that the original 47 Ronin didn’t need a subplot of overcoming racial prejudice or to be overtly weighed down with supernatural elements, it was already a deeply complex story, with twists and turns and plot reveals, action, and relatable characters on par with any modern novel by King or Clancy. It doesn’t need altering, it doesn’t even need to have a film adaptation. But if Hollywood is going to do one, then the least they can do is make it as authentic to the source material, and the culture it was based in as possible without feeling the need to jack it up and alter it beyond recognition to supposedly appeal to a mainstream audience. They did the same thing to the live action Last Airbender, and we all know how that turned out.

      I do not mean to offend you or your heritage but can you at least see where it is I am coming from?

    • happyappa

      I agree that what Raiden said about “actual asians” was problematic and is disrespectful of mixed race people. I think that you can hate on the casting choices without hating on the mixed race actor/actress. Like with Nina Simone, some people said Saldana was not black enough to play Simone. That is utterly stupid and offensive. But the casting was not the best choice because she had to wear prosthetics and she darkened her skin. This however does not make her any less black.

      Yeah mixed race actors/characters have barely any good portrayals in the media. Heck, for characters who are supposed to be half white/half poc, much of the time they are played by a white actor or white actor in yellowface. The issue with Reeves is he is the go-to guy for casting diversity, but from what I know he has never identified as a poc (?) and for the majority plays white roles. He is white-passing and has white privilege. If he does identify as asian or biracial then fine. Being white-passing does not make him any less asian, but he does have that privilege, seen in the roles he has played.

      “(for example, the lead actor in Psych is half white/half mexican yet both the actors cast as his parents are white).”

      I see no problem with this if he identifies as white. But then one can’t say that he is an example of a successful mixed race actor.

      “I suppose Cameron Diaz and Halle Berry fall into the “not really Cuban/white” category”
      Cuban is not a race, it is a nationality. Cameron Diaz is racially white.